Ames has asked me to comment on a recent NY Times article entitled, McCain’s Conservative Model? Roosevelt (Theodore, That Is). The title alone was enough to make me curious and the content was pretty interesting as well. Here are the highlights:
HUDSON, Wis. – Senator John McCain in a wide-ranging interview called for a government that is frugal but more active than many conservatives might prefer. He said government should play an important role in areas like addressing climate change, regulating campaign finance and taking care of “those in America who cannot take care of themselves.”
“I count myself as a conservative Republican, yet I view it to a large degree in the Theodore Roosevelt mold,” Mr. McCain said, referring to Roosevelt’s reputation for reform, environmentalism and tough foreign policy.
“I believe less governance is the best governance, and that government should not do what the free enterprise and private enterprise and individual entrepreneurship and the states can do, but I also believe there is a role for government,” Mr. McCain said. He added: “Government should take care of those in America who can not take care of themselves.”
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Mr. McCain has long admired Roosevelt, and in the interview he identified with him as a fellow reformer and environmentalist and also touched on his assertive foreign policy. The choice might to some extent be an indication of how Mr. McCain would like to position himself now that he has moved from the primary to the general election.
Asked to name a conservative model, he skipped over the suggestions of three names typically associated with the conservative movement – Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush and Barry Goldwater, the founder of the modern-day conservative movement who occupied the Senate seat Mr. McCain holds today – to settle on Theodore Roosevelt.
As most of our readers will know, I also consider myself a conservative in the Teddy Roosevelt mold, i.e. a Progressive Conservative. For students of American history I think it is hard to argue against his inclusion among the top tier of former U.S. presidents. I won’t go into all the mushy details of my love affair with all things TR, but I would encourage anyone not familiar with him to do their homework. It’s hard not to be impressed.
Yesterday I read through a few other blogs that ran with this story and most of them engaged in a sort of point by point comparison of McCain and Roosevelt, with their goal being to either affirm or discredit McCain’s comments. I’m not going to do that here. Why? Because I don’t think McCain was trying to compare himself to TR. (If people want to debate TR vs. McCain I’ll be happy to entertain that conversation in the comments section).
I believe what McCain was trying to convey is that TR’s example is a good one to follow. On that point, I agree. On the three points mentioned in the article, reform, the environment and foreign policy, TR was indeed a good model. Of course, ‘reform’ is a broad word and it can be applied to any number of issues.
Without using the term, I believe McCain considers himself a Progressive, in the traditional sense, not the bastardized liberal (small p) progressivism. That is comforting for me as a voter and a long time admirer of Senator McCain. I still remain cautious about him this time around, fearing that the McCain of 2000 has disappeared. But again, these statements are a positive sign.
There are several leaders at the national level, on both sides of the aisle, who I believe are carrying the legacy of TR on their shoulders. To be sure, none of them are perfect, but they are trying and I would consider McCain among them. I think if McCain likens his brand of conservatism to TR, we should ask him to further define his policy goals to demonstrate his commitment to a Progressive Conservative agenda. If he can do that successfully over the coming months, he has my vote.

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July 15, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Ames
Well said! I’m surprised to see that you’re reluctant to embrace McCain, but I understand why. I do think that the McCain of 2000 has disappeared, and I think we can blame the new American politics of division for that disappearance. Quite simply, there’s no room in the Republican party for a progressive candidate, conservative or otherwise. The new base requires commitment to certain fundamental, unwavering religious precepts that are often at odds with what a progressive would believe, or say if unrestrained. Think how anomalous it would be for today’s McCain to refer to the religious right as “agents of intolerance.” McCain 2008 is McCain 2000 on a very short, and dominating, leash.
July 16, 2008 at 12:19 pm
didionsmommy
i agree with ames. (shocking, i know.) and i just bombarded his site with a litany of comments …
p.c., i admire your writing, but i think mccain and the republican party do not deserve your thoughtfulness. i have said this before, you and your compatriots should storm the gates … the republican party needs to know you (progressives) are out there …
mccain is cagey when he says he appreciates the evangelical/fundamentalist wing of the republican party because they are so “active” …
active how? because of charity or good works? no. because they galvanize themselves and vote.
and as i said in one of my comments on ames’ site … their votes are never free.
July 16, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Progressive Conservative
I hate to keep using this phrase, but again, you and Ames have both stated that Obama must favor ‘expedience over honor’. How are McCain’s actions any different?
Obama spent most of the primaries lying to Democrats in order to beat Hillary You all gave him a pass. He now makes the customary ‘move to the middle’ and you all just wave it off as politics as usual. If you are able to ignore his newly found centrism then why am I criticized for doing the same of McCain’s newly found slant?
Here’s the narrative you seem to be asking me to accept:
McCain spent the last 20+ years establishing himself as outside the party line, but in the last year his thirst for power has transformed him into a Bush clone, with his opposition to gay adoption being Exhibit A. Obama, on the other hand, has spent his political career establishing his creditentials as one of the most liberal politicians in the land, BUT in the last 2 months, Obama has seen the light and moved to the center. Therefore, all good moderates/progressives/centrists should cast aside McCain and vote for Obama.
Does that sound about right?
Here are the real choices as I see it. A) Vote for someone with a Centrist record who is pretending to be a Far Rightist or B) vote for someone with a Liberal record who is pretending to be a Centrist. Do you really wonder what my answer is going to be?
July 16, 2008 at 3:51 pm
didionsmommy
let’s do go back to the voting records … we discussed this on my blog …
mccain has a “0″ rating on the environment from the league of conservation voters. (remember: he was absent for all 2007 votes on enviromental legislation.)
obama has a 67 rating from lcv.
not exactly a ringing endorsement from one of those crazy, left-wing lobby groups. (compare: barbara boxer has an 80; kucinich also has an 80.)
mccain has a 100 rating from the u.s. chamber of commerce. obama has a 55 rating.
who is more center here. so far, mccain is at two extremes.
obama is extreme when it comes to abortion votes … he has a 100 rating from naral; mccain has a 0 rating.
i never viewed obama as a mega liberal. i don’t think his voting record indicates such. he did package himself as less dialed in than hillary, and many dems probably translated that into more liberal … that’s their mistake. you only have to look at their healthplans to know that obama was not going to go way left.
mccain might well be “pretending to be a Far Rightist” … but that far-right garbage creates HUGE red herrings that distract from substantive debate on critical issues … like wars on terror …
but whether he is pretending is not a bet i’m willing to make.
and if you are so very interested in quashing the evangelical -bloc’s power in framing republican policy and rhetoric, i would expect you to be a little more circumspect about mccain’s current tactics.
July 16, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Progressive Conservative
I’m glad you decided to resume that discussion. I will refer you to some of my last comments:
Republicans for Environmental Protection give McCain high marks. he has gotten positive marks also from The Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership, Ducks Unlimited, Trout Unlimited, Quail Unlimited. These are all true conservation groups. LCV is conservationist in name only. The reality is that they are a far-left environmentalist organization and take most of their cues from Greenpeace and the Sierra Club. I would consider their endorsement an insult.
McCain has been leading on the environment for over a decade. His record in congress is pretty clear. REP has a full listing of it over there. I would encourage you to read it.
http://www.rep.org/McCain_enviro_record.html
As for other issues, I would consider Obama pretty liberal on social programs and extremely liberal on gun policy. If you want more details, I suggest paying more attention to his voting record in Illinois, when he had no immediate designs on the Presidency, rather than his very short tenure in the Senate, which was always just a precursor to a Presidential run.
At the end of the day the best way to judge either man is by their career, not this race. When I look at the issues Obama has supported verses McCain, it’s an easy choice right now.
There are a lot of things I agree with Obama on. I’m not counting him out. But he’s going to have to prove to me that he has come a long way since those votes in IL.
July 16, 2008 at 5:10 pm
didionsmommy
i’m not a hunter, but just because i’m not a hunter doesn’t mean i am not a “true” conservationist. when i first found your site, i commented on your post about mountaintop mining, and we had a good discussion about how the best, protective environmental policies come from cooperative efforts between hunting/sport groups and environmental groups like sierra club and nrdc … to say sportsman groups are the “true conservation groups” is — at the least — exclusionary.
and i checked out your references on mccain’s environmental record. the link you provided does point out that mccain has made a lot of speeches and has sponsored a lot of trips, but where are his votes in 2007? interestingly, when mccain WASN’T running for president, he scored a 41, 56, and 36 from lcv (2001-2006) … in 1999-2000 (another presidential campaign), he had a 6 score.
onto obama, i seriously doubt an obama presidency will cram gun control down the throats of nra members. there are other more pressing issues, and i am confident he knows that. (i read the quick summary of obama’s gun-voting record on wikipedia.)
here’s an article from the chicago tribune on obama’s response to the recent supreme court ruling re: d.c. gun-control …
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-guns-obama-mccainjun27,0,5693711.story
so is seems like you would be fine with obama “flip-flopping” on gun control issues … correct?
July 16, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Progressive Conservative
I don’t think that only hunting-oriented groups are true conservationists. REP for example does not really have a environmental slant. Likewise groups that are close to my heart like the Appalachian Mountain Club and Kentuckians for the Commonwealth are also non-hunting groups with a good, bi-partisan track record.
Unfortunately the Sierra Club, while they have their moments of sanity, are still Far Left. Likewise for LCV.
I would be fine with Obama pledging he will not promote any new firearm regulations aimed at limiting ownership. I would be fine with him renouncing all of his anti-gun votes as an elected official in Illinois. If he is willing to do those two things, that would make me immensely happy.
July 16, 2008 at 8:14 pm
didionsmommy
that’s a tall order to expect of obama (or ANY politician). before i found the tribune article i had thought, of course, obama is pro-gun-control … he represents a state with the 3rd largest city in the u.s. (i know you have a dislike (distrust?) of cities and you are an avid protector of smaller-town interests, but can you understand why urban (and suburban) dwellers care about gun control? a lot of us don’t understand why handgun protections are so critical.)
if he did the first but not the second, where would you stand in your opinion of him? … he has frequently stated he is open to re-examining his position on several issues … one that comes to mind is his voting record supporting some farm subsidies, especially for the corn industry …
personally, i am not convinced by some gun-control legislation … at the same time, i think gun companies have worked very diligently to insure their products are easily available … the closest analogy is the tobacco industry … then, still, i have been disappointed with the republican party’s (and nra’s) argument that the existing laws are sufficient to control guns, while both are reluctant to put a lot of money/resources behind sufficiently enforcing said laws …
there’s my stance … now, i think my clan is going to have to head to dairy queen … with the all-star break and no baseball, we are really hurtin’ for entertainment over here.
July 16, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Progressive Conservative
Obama’s previous positions on guns were support of a nearly complete ban on them. I guess he has nowhere to go but to the right on that issue.
Actually I like cities just fine. Louisville is the 16th largest city in the U.S. and while we may not compare to places like NYC or Chicago, we aren’t exactly a ’small-town’. I’m not a huge fan of the back-to-cities model, but I DO think urban areas are a vital part of our country.
With that being said, yes, i will agree that the NRA has been quite obstructionist on some gun legislation, but what we need is more control of gun trafficking, not a ban on guns themselves. To that end, the NRA has always supported enforcement of existing gun laws and in fact was very critical of Clinton for not doing more to fight gun crime during his time in office. (I would google Project Exile for more info on that subject.)
I honestly don’t understand why law-abiding citizens in urban areas would want gun restrictions. That just means they will be the only ones without them. Whenever I am driving through the shady parts of Louisville, I am comforted by the gun in the glove box. If I lived in NYC or Chicago that would ne no different.
July 17, 2008 at 3:26 pm
didionsmommy
i read the nyt article on project exile. very interesting, and something i think i can get behind; though, i agree that it likely is no cure-all.
louisville has a substantial population, but at the same time, suburbs of the city of los angeles are the size of your city. i don’t want to imply, however, that louisville does not face urban problems, especially if meth has made its way to you. (meth has destroyed a lot of middle america.)
i have heard that argument about it not making sense for urban dwellers not to want to own handguns … sometimes delivered as a joke, sometimes totally seriously.
it has never, ever crossed my mind to own a handgun. has it crossed my mind to go to a target range? sure. i actually think i’d be pretty good at it. i understand having guns for hunting, but handguns aren’t used for hunting wildlife.
July 17, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Progressive Conservative
Louisville has most of the same dynamics of any larger city. We’re just smaller. We have our inner-city, high crime areas as well.
Meth is a HUGE problem here. My wife is a social worker with the school system and she runs into it a lot. It made it’s way in from the rural areas east of louisville and shows no sign of slowing down.
As for handguns – I believe the safest decision is always to flee a confrontation but in lieu of that, a gun does provide another level of security in the right hands. I’m not suggesting everyone should carry a gun, but it is good to know we have that option.
July 18, 2008 at 1:04 pm
didionsmommy
meth is crack for whites.
it has ravaged the southwest (and now northwest). interestingly, too, it is extremely popular in the gay community. it is arguably responsible for the recent surges in hiv, syphilis, and hep c infections. a lot of my friends in the community are extremely worried. and rightly so.
i can tell the difference between a meth high and a crack high, and i actually had to stop watching cops (guilty pleasure) because it simply became too depressing.
anytime i hear someone is a social worker, i have to give props. it’s a job that is nothing but uphill battles in all directions, but when just one person is put on the right track … that feeling has to be so rewarding.
July 18, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Progressive Conservative
My wife is addicted (no pun intended) to that show Intervention on A&E. I’d say 1/3 of the cases are meth addicts.
Being a social worker seems to be rewarding for her most of the time, though incredibly frustrating as well. Since we both have that social science background I enjoy it when our fields intersect. The hardest thing with her job is seeing the way lousy parents neglect their kids’ education. The stories she tells me make me crazy.
July 19, 2008 at 6:51 pm
didionsmommy
tell me about it. educational attainment was going to be my dissertation …
ask her if she sees this … parents often set floors for their children’s educations … their kids just need to get as far as they got … a lot of that has to do with the parents not understanding what exists beyond their education level … access to and understanding resources is a big problem among lower-educated groups … i think where this might not be true is with immigrants … there is a lot of research suggesting that people who immigrate are a special breed … have a certain strength of character … an ability to assess risk … they often kick their kids’ asses … and this is especially true for relatively highly educated immigrants … i.e. most east asians …
and then there are the upper middle class parents who think buying stuff will keep their kids busy and out of trouble AND out of their hair … ha!
this is TOTALLY off topic … but the afternoon fox basebal game just ended … we are waiting for the mets to start at 7:30, and steven just turned it to soylent green …
“soylent green is peeeeeeeeeeeeeple!”
July 19, 2008 at 7:50 pm
didionsmommy
oh, and one more thing “off-topic” … the weather here is dreadful … super hot, super humid … but it’s the air quality that is making this hot streak particularly unbearable … hazing, thick, smelly …
don’t wanna take ourselves out, much less the kid …
anyway, at the end of soylent, steven and i were whining … “we wanna go to a bbq with cows and fireworks!” steven added, “and bourbon!”
but bourbon or no … we wish we were in kentucky and you would invite us over!
July 19, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Progressive Conservative
I think you’re right that some parents put set low-standards for their kids. It’d quite true in my opinion that people of lower economic level are generally less involved with their kid’s education and i do think it’s a sort of subconcious desire to keep them from passing them up. Very sad.
The heat is pretty unbearable here as well. I stayed inside all day today. Tomorrow I have work to do in the yard so I’ll be up early so I can avoid melting.
Anytime you’re down this was we’ll be happy to provide the welcome wagon. We LOVE showing off our city.